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Post  lecloneur on Tue May 14, 2013 7:49 pm

Hello,

first of all, thanks a lot for this application, it's definitively needed on android and that's why I bought it. I'm using DAWOSC on an Acer Iconia 500 and here are my problems so far :

- with the new release now Momentary Button doesn't show up their Foreground color when I push them, this was not the case before.
- I can now update Label screen text from my computer, VU Meter works as well but I can't set a Push Button to On or Off, it just doesn't work when I send OSC message from computer to DAWOSC.
- finally, and this one is the worse, when I start the application everything run very smoothly (expect previous problems), but the more I use the app the more the framerape is going down and down until it can 't be use any longer so I need to restart. I found this problem while using XY Pad and then pressing, playing with some other button based control, after few minutes the framerate is really low, same problem happened with sliders. This problem was the same with the previous version.

Mark, let me know what you think.

Cheers dude.

P.S : I'm VJ, check my website http://www.cloneproduction.net

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Post  Admin on Tue May 14, 2013 8:39 pm

Hey VJ

I'll have the momentary button problem fixed in a few hours. The push button problem was fixed earlier today, so maybe you don't have the latest version.

And I'll check out the framerate issue tonight. I've never heard or seen that problem, so hopefully, I can duplicate it.

I'll let you know when the new version is on Google Play.

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Post  Admin on Tue May 14, 2013 9:21 pm

hey VJ

The button issues are fixed and Google Play should have the new version available in an hour or so. The new version is 3.412

I couldn't duplicate the framerate problem, but I'll keep trying over the next few days.

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Post  coupe70 on Wed May 15, 2013 2:55 am

Hi lecloneur,

I have never seen this framerate behaviour.
Can you explain a little further how to reproduce it ?
Just use the app ? Or certain controllers ? A certain layout ?
And what framerate goes down ?
Is it only the GUI or the whole app including data input & output ?


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Post  lecloneur on Thu May 16, 2013 5:37 am

Hi,

well it happened when I use sliders or XYpad I think. If I open the app, then everything is fluid and really fast (sliders and buttons), then if I start pressing button then slider, then button like when I'm playing basically, I can notice that the sliders or the XYpad doesn't follow my fingers correctly. The more I play the more it's not accurate until OSC messages even stop being sent.

Let me know if you want me to test something specific.

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Post  coupe70 on Thu May 16, 2013 5:45 am

Well, I'm not the developer, but it always helps to simplify things.
You could check if the app slows down after some time even when the layout
is open for some time and not touched. Or if you can reproduce it with different
layouts or with a simple layout containg only 1 fader. Or if you maybe need at
least 2 different faders sending different messages to kill it.

How long does it take to become recognizable ?


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Post  lecloneur on Thu May 16, 2013 5:53 am

arf, for now I can't even download the latest version... looks like it's not on google market.

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Post  Admin on Thu May 16, 2013 7:07 am

The more I play the more it's not accurate until OSC messages even stop being sent.
After the OSC messages are finishing sending, does it work properly again (even for a really short period of time)? If so, then it sounds like there MIGHT be a bottleneck in your network. It might not be, but it's something worth looking into.


arf, for now I can't even download the latest version... looks like it's not on google market.
Actually, it is on the market, but Google made a change to the filtering on Google Play in the past month or so and didn't tell anyone (typical of them). I found this out last night when Google Play said that DAWOSC wasn't compatible with my tablet..the same tablet that I use to develop DAWOSC on!

If you go to Google Play on a PC, you'll see DAWOSC, but it'll probably say that it's not compatible with your device. If you go to Google Play on your device, then you won't see DAWOSC at all.

I've made a change to DAWOSC so that it works with the new Google filters. The problem is that the only way to know if what I did works, I have to upload a new version to Google Play...and it takes Google hours to update the new version. Only then can I tell if my change works.

I'll let you know when I finally get it to show up properly on Google Play.

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Post  coupe70 on Thu May 16, 2013 7:21 am

Mark, from what I understand the GUI gets sluggish and the OSC output gets as sluggish as the GUI.
Doesn't sound like a network issue to me...or does DAWOSC wait for some notification from the network
that the last sent message got through before it proceeds sending ?


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Post  Admin on Thu May 16, 2013 8:22 am

coupe70 wrote:Mark, from what I understand the GUI gets sluggish and the OSC output gets as sluggish as the GUI.
Doesn't sound like a network issue to me...or does DAWOSC wait for some notification from the network
that the last sent message got through before it proceeds sending ?


It's possible that the tablet/phone might be slowed down by sending a bunch of data over a slower network. That could make DAWOSC appear to slow down. I'm just asking questions to get for info Smile

And DAWOSC should show up now in Google Play...at least it does for me now!

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Post  lecloneur on Thu May 16, 2013 8:46 am

Hi,

I don't think it's a network problem but as soon as I can download DAWOSC again I will try different things. For now only the unlock is showing up on googleplay.

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Post  lecloneur on Thu May 16, 2013 9:17 am

OK so I just tried with only the basic sample layout of the new version. I'm not sending or receiving any data with OSC or MIDI, same problem, if I push any button, sliders start to be really slow, well, the whole app in fact.

I tried again but this time I don't use the button at all, just playing with the sliders, they keep being smooth.

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Post  Admin on Thu May 16, 2013 11:03 am

Ok, great, that info helps. I'll try to fix it as soon as I can.

The first problem though, is that I can't fix it until I can duplicate it, so hopefully, with the info you've provided, I'll see the same problem.

The other problem is that we're moving into a new home in about 1 1/2 weeks, so everything is getting packed up right now, including my computer. So there's a good chance, that I won't be able to fix this until June sometime, unfortunately.

I'll let you know when/if I figure out what the issue is.

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Post  lecloneur on Thu May 16, 2013 12:47 pm

thanks for the support,

now to be more precise, problem comes from button only, just by playing with button make the whole app slower and slower.

Good luck with your new house Smile

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Post  Admin on Thu May 16, 2013 1:10 pm

great! That'll help me narrow it down a lot.

And thanks about the house Smile

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Post  Admin on Fri May 17, 2013 10:33 am

Well, I'm still not able to duplicate the "slowness" problem, but...

I did find a bug related to buttons that have sliding enabled. And the sample layout in DAWOSC uses buttons with sliding turned on for the piano keys. I'm expecting to have this bug fixed tonight or tomorrow morning, so when the new version is released, it'll hopefully fix the slowness problem that you're seeing.

I'll let you know when the new version is ready.

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Post  Admin on Fri May 17, 2013 6:19 pm

The sliding button bug is fixed. Google Play should have the new version ready in about an hour. The new version number is 3.414

Let me know if you're still seeing this "slowness" problem.

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Post  lecloneur on Fri May 17, 2013 6:29 pm

Excellent, thank you for your reactivity, I will try and let you know.

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Post  lecloneur on Fri May 17, 2013 7:47 pm

ok so it's a little bit better. The app slow down but it needs more time to be noticable, also, before when the app started to be really slow it just didn't get the signal if I was pressing buttons really fast, now it looks like it "records" when I tap but there is a delay so I see the button being pushed with a delay.

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Post  Admin on Fri May 17, 2013 8:23 pm

hmmm...ok.

DAWOSC doesn't actually record the button presses and then show the button press on the screen. Here's how it works:

As soon as DAWOSC gets the message from the Android OS that you touched the screen, DAWOSC updates the button that you touched. So it sounds like your device might be slow in getting the messages to DAWOSC. Of course, that's just an idea. That could be completely wrong.

So I have 2 questions:
How old is your phone/tablet?
Do you have any other apps running in the background?

I still can't duplicate this, but I'll try again tomorrow. Hopefully, I'll be able to figure it out Smile

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Post  lecloneur on Sat May 18, 2013 5:47 am

I'm using an Acer Iconia 500 which is not too old I think. Normaly I don't have any other app running, I kill them with an app killer to make sure.
At the moment, it still the buttons that makes problem, if I don't touch them, sliders keep being smooth and really fast.
There is a change with the lastest version you just uploaded anyway.

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Post  Admin on Sat May 18, 2013 8:25 am

I tried this on my phone, which is an old Samsung Galaxy S (the original one). It's about 3-4 years old, I think. This is what I did and saw:

Start DAWOSC and use the sample built-in layout

touch a key and then lift my finger right away
the key lights up right away

touch a different key and then lift my finger right away
the key lights up right away

touch a key and then slide my finger back and forth across all the keys
DAWOSC keeps up at first, but then slows down a lot

lift your finger
DAWOSC continues to light the keys that your finger slid across until it catches up

once DAWOSC caught up and none of the keys were lit, then I touched a key and then lifted my finger right away
the key lights up right away

and I was able to repeat all that all the time.

If that's what you're seeing, then it sounds like DAWOSC needs a slightly more powerful device to run on. The solution for now is to just move one or two controllers at a time or keep your layouts simple (don't add 50 controllers to a layout).

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Post  lecloneur on Sat May 18, 2013 8:53 am

Just tried what you said, it create the same problem but the app keep being slow, even if I wait a bit. I don't think it is related to the complexity of a layout because I can control like 8 sliders at the same times with 8 finger on the tablet and nothing slow down, it's even really fast, slider follows my fingers perfectly. I tried with simple layout, like 1 sliders, 2 buttons and the problems comes.

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Post  Admin on Sat May 18, 2013 9:38 am

hmm...I'm running out things to try....

can you post your layout so I try it with your layout?

Also, I definitely won't have time to test this, but I will a tiny bit of time tomorrow, so you probably won't hear back from me until tomorrow Sad

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Post  lecloneur on Sat May 18, 2013 10:01 am

Well, I'm trying with the default layout, the one with two sliders and the piano button. Same happened with any layout basically, I try with some more complexe layout from your website, and one layout I made for testing but it is exactly the same.
If I make the app being slow by playing with button, it doesn't slow down the tablet if I switch to, let say, dolphin browser for example, but back to DAWOSC it is still slow.

Don't worry about the time, nothing urgent for me.

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